I am reminded of one of my daughter's gay friends. He told me that he realized that he was gay when he was 8 years old. I am wondering how many 8 year olds(including him) know enough about sexual orientation to make such a determination.
I thnk he was just coming in the back door of I was "born that way".
So let's say it is a choice, and don't believe it is, a person should be able to make that choice or practice that lifestyle like a person chooses a religion and practices a religion. Either way, born or choice, there isno reason not to treat them as equals.
I do find it interesting that you seem hung up on this topic.
I find it interesting that you don't realize how very close you came to repeating my position as your own.
I like your last sentence, especially. It's from a very old playbook... make me worry that I'll appear "hung up" on sexual orientation because I'm secretly confused or in the closet or something. Sorry, pal; I stopped being that insecure well before I hit my third child and 10th wedding anniversary.
I'll offer you this, though: I find homosexuality to be a fascinating topic, reaching, as it does, into science, society, culture, religion, politics, emotion, art, relationships, and so on. It's an excellent topic on which to learn objectivity and to discern the flaws in most people's attempts at logic.
I don't think it's a choice.
If it were,who would choose to be homosexual?
People are born that way- I am content to leave them alone and not make a big deal over it.
And no,I'm not hardly in the closet either.
It seems to be a difficult life.
Even more interesting is the fact that you were insecure before the third child and 10 anniversary.
Wow, Justin you are stereotypical.
There are no gays that have been married or had kids.
FYI, Larry Craig isn't gay either. Eric Massa served in the Navy, he gotta be straight.
Yup. You got me. Nobody can find an issue interesting on its merits. We've all gotta be acting out of deep-seated emotion. Unless we've got the perfect opinions, like you, that is.
Time to put the old playbook away. There's a whole world of thought and conversation to be discovered through the lens of empathy and sincere interest. Although, I'm not sure that such traits are possible if you've never been insecure in your life. Seeking and discovery are kinda difficult when you've always know that you were where and what you wanted to be.
Try to have a gay sexual experience.
Can't do it?
People with no predisposition, or gene if you will can't do it. Just can't. They might get sick, or violent or have some sort of problems if they go through with the act. That's proof enough for me that it's not a choice.
All that really proves is that, in our current society, some people are at the solidly heterosexual end of the spectrum that runs from solidly homosexual (as if from birth) through bisexuals and those who are somewhat fluid. I should note, of course, that I don't take this to be a bell curve centered on the axis: the entire spectrum beyond "solidly heterosexual" probably fits within a sixth of the population or less. Although, some of this is cultural and can change over time.
As I said, it's a fascinating subject. Most of your commentary is psycho-social. "Problems if they go through with the act" are conditioned and can be unconditioned. Over time, society can make it a choice as it has in the past. (Ancient Greece comes to mind.)
But again, my point is that the "choice" versus "natural" debate is pretty much moot for most public policy purposes.
Tea Party President finds Matthew Shepards murder amusing
The president of Montana's Tea Party Association appeared to joke on Facebook about the murder of gay college student Matthew Shepard. In a discussion opposing gay marriage, Tim Ravndal expressed support for a commenter who wrote, "I think fruits are decorative. Hang them up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions."
Ravndal replied: "Where can I get that Wyoming printed instruction manual?"
It's more Spammy from Sammy. People who condone violence and bigotry like Ravndal are not welcome in the Tea Party.
From the Helena Independent Record...
The president of the Big Sky Tea Party Association has been removed from his position and booted from the party after coming under fire for a post he made on his Facebook profile that implied he condones violence against homosexuals...
“We are extremely disappointed by Mr. Ravndal’s commentary,” wrote Walker, who could not be reached for this story. “The discussion in that Facebook conversation is entirely outside the position of the Big Sky Tea Party. Even though Mr. Ravndal was having a personal conversation and made no reference to our group, we felt strongly that swift and decisive action was required as we cannot accept that sort of behavior from within our membership, let alone from an officer of the corporation.
“We continually make it known that we will not tolerate bigoted dialog, behavior or messages at our functions, our meetings or within our ranks,” Walker continued. “If a person demonstrates bigotry relative to race, sex, ethnicity, etc. they are not welcome in our organization. The Tea Party movement is about standing up for individual freedom for everyone.”
I really want to find this playbook.
I'll offer you this, though: I find religon to be a fascinating topic, reaching, as it does, into science, society, culture, politics, emotion, art, relationships, and so on. It's an excellent topic on which to learn objectivity and to discern the flaws in most people's attempts at logic.
So I guess we are similar, just replace homosexuality with religon.
You might find it interesting that I did my undergrad at a very catholic college, PC. One of my best friends from there was very serious about becoming a priest, even entered the seminary. He left because he felt the place was running rampant with homosexuals.
2010 GOP Platform
Make homosexuality Illegal
At a time when gays have been gaining victories across the country, the Republican Party in Montana still wants to make homosexuality illegal.
The party adopted an official platform in June that keeps a long-held position in support of making homosexual acts illegal, a policy adopted after the Montana Supreme Court struck down such laws in 1997.
The fact that it's still the official party policy more than 12 years later, despite a tidal shift in public attitudes since then and the party's own pledge of support for individual freedoms,(FOR SOME)
But going against the grain is the Montana GOP statement, which falls under the "Crime" section of the GOP platform. It states: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."
Montana GOP executive director Bowen Greenwood said that has been the position of the party since the state Supreme
"There are no gays that have been married or had kids"
Of there are, I know of lots of them. It was just that it occurred before they "discovered" they were gay.
"He left because he felt the place was running rampant with homosexuals."
That is not an unusual complaint, I have heard it from several men who entered a seminary. There was a time when I thought it sour grapes over "many are called, but few are chosen". Now, I find it likely.
I have thought there was a lot of political correctness" in it, this since so many accept the term "homophobic". This implies a fear that probably doesn't exist, "anti Semitism" is not called "Jewiphobia" even though some anti-Semitism is based on "Jews taking over the world". I suspect "homo averse" might be more correct.